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Listen to Machine Gods from NPR on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up? iPad mini. Oh my God. $700. Oh my God. It's $700.

For the base. Yeah. You can buy a computer. The cheapest nano-texture one you can get is $900. For an iPad mini? Yeah. Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast.

We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David. And at the pod producer table, we've got Mariah and Ellis. We also all maybe have like some explaining to do already, or like alternate names we'd like to give. Because if you're a video viewer, you're like, wait, that doesn't look like who you said it was.

I think as an audio viewer, they also heard David as a ghost, essentially. True. So he's really hitting home for the audio. Not a ghost. Sorry. Wait, wait. Sorry, David. Do the spooky ghost thing again. And I'm David. Yay. That's good. But wait, what are you though?

Okay. Do you guys want to guess? I'm looking at your costume. Describe it. You're audio. It's a bit lower effort than usually that I usually do. I think face paint automatically is lots of effort. Okay. So I'm giving you a lot of credit. Cool. Okay. So as you know, usually I'm a pun that combines two tech related things to make a tech pun.

Yes. Okay. So for audio listeners, I have white face paint on, I have a kind of a skeleton mouth thing. I don't even know what to call it. Like the little black stripes that make a little skeleton mouth. Then I'm wearing a black shirt with a red dot, red square in the center.

Are you a nothing phone? No. No. That would be a pretty good one though. Are you a, a, you're a dick. It's a pun. It's a pun. Well, so here's my, what I started thinking of later. First of all, I don't think we mentioned it's Halloween tomorrow when this comes out, which is why we're all dressed up.

It's not just for fun. People would probably not that much. Does, does everywhere celebrate Halloween? No. Cause this might be really confusing to you. Yeah. Okay. Um, are you a dead pixel? Yes. Yes. Okay. I think of it. All right. That's good. Thank you guys. Yeah. That's great. That was good.

Hey, that's good job. Yeah. Yeah. Good job. Well played. Thanks. I think we were thinking to Joker at first, but it's not red mouth. I just, I got the dead part. I didn't, I got it now. That's perfect. That's good. Dead pixel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Who wants to go next? It's pretty last minute. I'm, um, so here we go.

I, I asked Gemini for like a couple minutes for like good costume ideas by listing out things that I had around me because I missed a Slack message that said to get a costume. Cause I sent it to him when he was in LA at a briefing yesterday.

I was quite busy shooting the MacBook Pro review or impressions video. But, uh, what I did put together here for this podcast was I have a Google glow bar on me and I'm also very sick and near death if you couldn't tell. So I am yet another Google product very close to its grave.

It's very scary. What is, what does the glow bar do? Nothing. Okay. Yeah. So both of you are nothing, bro. Yeah. Okay. I'll, I'll go next. Oh, for audio listeners, I have glasses and a dad hat and a cool watch and a sweet unbuttoned shirt and a teenage engineering device.

I mean, I gave it away. Yeah. That's the part that gave it. I thought you were Elizabeth Holmes when I first saw you. Oh wait. And I also have my keys on a cool little TV. Oh, and a carabiner. That's I'm seeing it. Yeah. I'm seeing it. Welcome back, Adam. Yeah. Good to have you. Japan was great.

It's nice to be back. Yeah. I will be. I'm also editing this week's episode. So I'm really. You have to keep it on the whole time. What's it called? When actors are method acting. Yeah. Method acting for sure. You actually scared me when you walked out of the bathroom. Cause I was like, I was doing something this morning, but I should have sat at Adam's desk why everyone came in, but we're also recording earlier just to like screw with people.

That would have been funny. Yeah. Okay. Mariah. All right. Audio. And picture this. I'm wearing a red hat. I'm wearing a red tunic with red gloves, a large black belt .

And some of you may die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take. I am no other than Lord Farquaad. Thank you for the one and only. It's a fantastic Farquaad. It is great. I thought we were all going as Shrek characters.

I did not get that memo. I'm still trying to figure out where this came from. I'm realizing it was a, it was a breakdown of communication . Apparently it was a different video that we're all dressing as Shrek characters for a video that none of you guys are in. What? Well, I wanted to support Richard the marathon, but I wanted to get my bank of my buck out of this costume.

So Olivia was going as Puss in Boots. And so I wanted to like add onto the theme. So there's a theme. I am the gingerbread man in my homemade. You don't sound like the gingerbread man. I'm the gingerbread man. I haven't seen this movie in a while.

Is this how he sounds? That's exactly how he sounds. That was really good. That is good. Do you know the Muffin Man? The Muffin Man? The Muffin Man! The Muffin Man! Are these all from the original Shrek? The Muffin Man.

Because there's like several Shrek movies? I believe. Yeah, yeah. It's from the first one. That was good. The first and second one. Was that a Shrek pun? No, I mean like, these are all from Shrek 1. She's married to the Muffin Man. She's got the I Believe sign. I also, these are all from Shrek 1. Yeah. But Shrek 2 is notably one of the few films that is considered even better than the first.

Oh, wow. Or at least more iconic. Interesting. Okay. Maybe a hot take, but I don't know. Well, you know, we do have a lot to talk about today, believe it or not. There is some tech. Tech podcast. Some tech in the news. The internet is imploding, but also the MacBook Pros came out or got announced.

So that was cool. Some new ones. iPhone Duo screen issues. Arc browser is dead. And we're going to wrap it up with Ellis explaining how people are fixing their TVs through Vibe coding. Actually. Yeah. Fixing and turning them into Wheeze. That actually might be a stretch, but we'll try.

I don't know about fixing. I don't know about fixing, but we'll see. But first, did they even test this? You got one? Yes. Actually, mine continues in my method acting because I've only realized this recently. While thinking about Adam? While being Adam, while he's gone.

Because I've been publishing all the waveform and waveform clip things. But for whatever reason, if you know what the screen looks like when you post a YouTube video, it's like your description, your title. On the right is the preview window. And then under that is all the dropdowns to publish. Right? Yeah. For whatever reason on Firefox, those buttons only appear 50% of the time.

I showed this to you the other day, right? Only on Firefox. I'm trying to. I mean, maybe on other things, but I use Firefox. So I'm assuming it's only on Firefox because not other people are having an issue. Yeah. So sometimes in order to publish, I have to keep refreshing or to schedule it. And there have been a couple.

I've almost deleted the description a couple of times doing that because I forgot to save. And is that why chapters haven't been working? No, that's just. I have a theory. Everyone. I think I may have fixed our chapter problem. How? Yo, that's all. That's a big claim.

I think the original chapter. The original number has to be one zero followed by a colon, not two zeros followed by a colon. Really? But it always works temporarily. I know. And it always does work eventually with double zeros when I go into the description when it stops working, change nothing and resave it.

It fixes it. So you're saying the zero colon zero zero. The zero zero colon zero zero should be zero colon zero zero. Oh, interesting. I've never done that for a. Yeah, because in main channel videos, the chapters haven't broken. And I've also never done zero zero colon zero zero. I think that's what our template has been.

And I've tried it the other day. And I think the last two episodes chapters haven't broken. It's really hard to tell, but I haven't seen any comments about it. So this is why it should be UI instead of people having to type the exact right formula. Yeah. YouTube. It's just a hypothesis. I'll do more testing.

Commenters help us out. That is good to know, though. If chapters work this week, you'll know why. That's sick. RIP ARC browser, another product on its deathbed. You know, I'm having flashbacks. Theme well for this week. Theme well for this week. Theme well. I'm having flashbacks. Because I do remember sitting here not that long ago, a couple months ago, and being reassured.

That was a year ago. Very comforting. That was last June. Last year. Okay. I had like a little comfortable blanket where they were like, we're not going to get rid of ARC. We're not going to abandon ARC. It's not being sunset. But that is very different than like, this product is being sunsetted or going anywhere or anything like that.

I have done a horrible job in many ways, I think, communicating about what the heck is going on at the browser company. So I will own that. But ARC's not going anywhere. ARC is not going anywhere. ARC is not going anywhere. I think a lot of those ARC users love the browser company. So they were frustrated that ARC was being sunset.

Not being sunsetted. Not being sunsetted. Not being sunsetted. Being maintained. Journalism. Being maintained. Yep. But then they did. They sunsetted. So, yeah. Yeah. One year ago, I was dressed as a skeleton for the Halloween costume and said I was ARC browser. And one year later, on the week, we got the death of it.

You know, to commemorate this, every browser now is just AR C. That's what's kind of crazy. Yeah. There's like a path that everyone goes down now, which is ... So here's the path. You start off, you're using like Chrome or something, and then you see ARC and you're like, that's cool.

And a year ago, you switched to ARC and you were like, this is so awesome. I have all these spaces and all these cool features. And then as ARC starts to slowly fall apart, you go, wait a minute, this doesn't have a future. Let me jump to something that's as good as ARC. And then you discover Zen Browser. And Zen Browser is 88.5% of ARC.

But you constantly notice the last 11.5%. Wow. Quick mass. And so you're like frustrated a little bit by that all the time. And then you switch back to ARC. You're like, maybe I can keep using it. This is kind of still getting updates. And then you're like, no, it's not. And then you switch back to Zen. And you go, maybe I can use that other thing that they made called Dia.

And then Dia is like also kind of ARC, but just a little bit more prone to start interrupting you with chats unless you turn that default off. And then it's like 75% of ARC. And then you're like, maybe this is OK, but there's no mobile version. And then you go, wait a minute, there's still a mobile version. And then you go, wait a minute, they're killing this whole thing.

Never mind. RIP ARC. ARC Mobile was, I think it was called ARC Search, was like the best iPhone browser. It's pretty great. And now they're killing the whole project. And it's just, it's sad. I uninstalled it this week. You uninstalled it? Yeah. You just like two weeks ago kind of manifested this by saying something like, you mentioned ARC on your phone.

I said it in the Duo review. It was in the Duo review. Because in the Duo review, I was like, I'm going to wait for all my favorite apps to get updated for Duo support so I can finally have fun using this phone. And then I'm also going to have to get rid of ARC because they're never going to update it for Duo. Yeah. It's crazy, though, because it was just like a random small , at the time, company that just made a browser that now has influenced every other browser that comes out.

Like, there's a browser renaissance happening right now, probably because of Vibe Coding. But a lot of people are making browsers that all just look exactly like ARC. ARC looked. They're not as feature rich and they are not as polished and things like that. But, you know, there's like, there's Zen, as you mentioned, which is basically just an ARC clone.

There's like Helium, which is Chromium based, but it's just like ARC. Like, at the beginning, they just wanted sort of Dia to be its own thing. But then people got so mad that they eventually have just been literally porting. They said ARC's greatest hits.

They have been porting into Dia. It still doesn't have everything, which is annoying. Like a mobile version? Like a mobile version. I really want little ARC, which was cool. I want Peak, which is where you could just peek into tabs. Like there were a lot of amazing features. Dia's getting there. That's what I'm using right now. But there's a lot of good browsers coming out right now, including like Helium and stuff.

ARC built it like in the public. It was like the feedback fan. It reminded me of like old OnePlus. Old OnePlus. Yeah, yeah. Like, we love you. Like, we love you so much. And then they're just like on their f***ing fans. And then just like, they just don't care anymore.

Well, they got acquired by Atlassian. Yes. And they eventually, though, like, but what we said, he came onto our podcast and three different times I have the sound clips. They will definitely be in this episode of him saying ARC is not dying. ARC is not dying. We are not sunsetting it.

We are not sunsetting it over and over again. And then, yeah, we got last Thursday the tweet that say that we've decided to sunset ARC December 22nd, 2026. I have to assume this got announced on a Thursday for a reason. They're just too clued in with waveform to know.

Let's get one week without waveform. The tweet has 2,000 comments. Holy crap. And 3,500 quote tweets or just retweets. Not a great look for them. It's, yeah, they're making their, they decided to go from cool browser with lots of feedback to AI, whatever.

This reminds me of two things. One is that really great nine-year-old tech alter video, which is why enthusiast brands will betray you. It's a good video. It's a good video. You should watch it. Yeah. The other is that my inbox, ever since the Duo review, it's been this funny thing where, like, I have these apps that I like that I've been using for a long time.

And that gets shout outs organically in videos because I've just had them on my screen. And then since the Duo review, where I've been showing all these apps that aren't updated, my inbox has been full of really, really fast iOS developers who are like, I just made a Duo optimized version of that app that isn't updated yet that you like.

Yeah. A task app, a calendar app, a browser. There's this browser called Lens Browser now that's like, we're better than Arc. You want this now, don't you? It crashes constantly. Yeah. But I'm like, that is a really interesting landscape right now where just fighting for Duo users is kind of an interesting battleground.

Yeah. Not that there's that many of them, but they are very, like , power user, heavy user type of people. But it's also been very fun. I like the fact that there's all these third party versions of things that we use every day that people are using just because they are faster at developing than the actual big companies are for Duo.

Yeah. Like, I just want to shout out this app. It's called Golden, I think, and not the, you know, song by Hunter X. K-pop Demon Hunters. Not Hunter X. But it, like, shows the album art. It's a Streetlight Manifesto song, of course.

What? Yeah. It shows the album art on the front in ASCII. And you can make it, like, there's different covers that you can use that are different colors. And you can keep the, there's all this different, like, animations and stuff like that. You can have a clock. You can have all this stuff. You can have it just constantly on the front of your phone.

Obviously, this is going to drain a ton of battery. But it looks super cool. And then when you open it, it's, like, super Duo optimized and shows, like, lyrics and, like, all this random stuff. Yeah. And, like, code almost. Yeah. It's just, like, I don't know. Michael Fisher said this in his Duo review. But the cool thing about the Duo is that it kind of feels like 2008 again where...

The app store just showed up. The app store just showed up. And you're just like, let me see what cool apps there are. There's so much random stuff. Yeah. And I really like all of it. It's very fun playing with all of it. I think that's the best part about the Duo is just, like, trying new ideas again. Yeah. Other than that, you know, it's kind of frustrating in some ways.

But I agree. We can talk about it. We can talk about it. I, well, yeah. Okay. So, my task app, TickTick, in the, like, three days that it wasn't yet updated for Duo, I got emails from, like, four other task apps that were, like, try these out. We're updated for Duo. And I was like, all right.

And then I did. I mean, look. And then TickTick updated finally. Yeah. My workout app, like, is never, probably never going to update. I said the same thing. Guess what I got in my inbox? A bunch of gym apps. Yeah. We're updated for Duo. Yeah. I think I've been getting emails for both of you two.

Please just send them to those two. I can't test any of these. And I'm not going to DM everyone all the time every time I get an email about it. Just to know. Like, I've been using this since January. I don't want to stop using it just because it's not updated for Duo. But, I mean, look at this. Also, my gym app, my trainer, like, loads the program into them.

He's not changing what app he uses. So, I'm not going to be able to change the app I use for that. Yeah. Maybe we could try to use Waveform for good. FitBot. Please update your app for Duo just for me. And I will tell you you did a good job next week or the week after, whenever you do it.

I've also officially switched back to the 18 Pro today. So, it's, like, about two and change weeks later after I first started testing it. Yeah. I'm finally, not fed up with it, but I'm finally, like, I know which phone is better for me and my use. And I always end up back with the phones that I like the most.

It's a OnePlus 15 and an iPhone 18 Pro. The cameras are better. So much better. The usage experience, face ID. It's all back. It's warm and fuzzy where I was hoping. The Duo is, like, the most toxic relationship I've ever had with a product. Because I love so much about it and I hate so much about it .

I will miss opening it up, flipping it to portrait mode, and reading. It's so great. I will really miss it. It's so great. I feel extremely performative every time I do it, though. I just got back from LA for that MacBook Pro event, and I did see a couple duos in the wild.

It was the MacBook Pro event. Is that the wild? I saw two in Brooklyn. It's like going to the zoo and being like, I saw some tigers in the wild. No, no, no. It was LAX. It was LAX. There was, like, three people at LAX with duos. The person on the plane next to me had a duo. Yeah. I don't know if I don't think there were- What are the chances? Because Judner was also on that plane, right?

That's also true. So what are the chances they were just going to- Very possible that they were going to Apple events. But it was that, like, performative, like, feeling of, like , flipping it out. It was like when you have a car that's, like, kind of new and you drive past someone with the same car and you, like, wave at them. It was like that. It was weird.

I don't know how to feel about that. Yeah. Except everyone around you is like- Yeah. Everyone else on the plane was like, look at these dweebs with their folding phones. Yeah. This phone definitely feels like it's one of those things that takes a number of weeks to, like, fully understand and decide whether or not it's for you. Because it's just, there's so much stuff where I'm just like, this is incredible.

And there's so much stuff where it's like, oh, my God, I miss the 18 Pro so much. Yeah. You know? What do we make of the, like, they're calling it crack gate . Are we gating? Oh, okay. I don't know if it's a gate. But there have been enough reports of people's duos breaking without them, like, doing it, like, throwing sand in it, like, Zach in his video, that people are actually, like, concerned about it.

It kind of, like, made waves for a couple days on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know what to make of it yet. It doesn't, it's hard to get a sense of exactly how many this is happening to. It's kind of like when we saw the Samsung issues with batteries. I'm like, all right, how many phones are actually just having issues right out the box with nothing being done to them?

Hard to say. Yeah. But it's enough that people are talking about it. It's enough that Apple responded. Apple did. Yeah. Which I think in that, like, that to me is the key of, like , this isn't just three videos on Twitter that blew up. This is enough things where Apple has to make a comment.

And I feel like Apple is the last people to make a comment about anything. I kind of wrote, like, a really quick TLDR of what's going on. Yeah. I'll rip through it. So, like you said, a bunch of, we're getting a bunch of tweets and videos and reports of people's screens having an issue where it's like, some of them are, like, a couple hours after I got it.

Some of them are my first fold. Some of them are just, like, a couple days. And the screen is breaking with, very specifically, this line going across the right side of the screen about two-thirds of the way down or a third of the way up. And it all seems to stem from a couple, like, black holes, dots kind of things in the screen right at the hinge.

And then people were interested about that because it seems like all of these screens that are breaking are breaking in the exact same spot. It's always weird when an OLED screen or just a screen in general breaks because the way it fragments after that is a little different. But all generally they're happening in about the same spot, horizontal line, right side of the screen.

Yeah. So I found two different hypotheses online. iFixit has their teardown. It's great. I mean, watching teardowns of folding phones is always fun no matter what. So iFixit has a great one. Their guess is potentially, you know, every folding phone, the way it folds on the inside is when it's closed.

It kind of opens up this space to turn the crease part into a teardrop so that it gives it more of a radius to not just crease right down the middle. And they think there's a potential where the flat part underneath the hinge is essentially touching and just creating this pinch point.

He doesn't. That's just his guess based on how the structure looks. But then this YouTuber named Curious Haggai, which is a video. I don't know what language it's in, but it is dubbed now where he also does a teardown durability test. And he finds this issue.

And I'm going to be up front here. The issue is after he essentially tries to break it. But he's trying to bend it the wrong way. And as he's going to close it, it gets stuck. And this is a report I've seen in a couple of different articles and online that a lot of times when the screen seems to be breaking, it's when they're having a hard time closing it.

And when they get closed, they hear a crunch. And then when they open it, a crunch is the last thing you want to hear. The only phone that's okay with is the Royale Flex 5 One because it's crunched all the time. That one had crunches built in. Yeah. And when he did that crunch, the screen breaks in the exact same spot.

And when he opens it, there's essentially two types of hinges. There's the ones with the gears that make them rotate simultaneously together evenly. And then there's essentially the support hinges, which are much thinner that are just extra support along it that don't have the gears.

They just follow the gears. And in one of those support hinges, it essentially just snapped right off of the, I guess the weak point of it is right at where it's connecting to the hinge.

So this little tab that's going is snapping off of where the hinge is. And then when he pulls that off and pulls the flexible OLED off, there's a little impact right there. Presumably that's where it's breaking the screen and then causing that issue.

That's like actually structurally kind of similar to the idea of like what was happening with Samsung where the little corner of the battery was like a pinch point with the inside of the chassis. They're just like, these phones are so densely packed with things that just a little tiny extra like impact where you don't want it can ruin a whole part.

Yeah. Which is why like dust resistance and why going to the sand is so bad because when you get those things in there and then the screen tries to fold flat, if now a grain of something is in there, it's going to cause a little bump in the screen and then potentially blow out that line or whatever. Yeah.

Which is why all of these things, despite being whatever IP rating, like do not bring these in the sand. There's still ways that this can get in there. Yeah. I know it's rated IP 6.8, which is awesome. And I even think I saw, didn't Michael Fisher like dunk it in a pool? I think it's 6.8.

Is it 6? Okay. Yeah. Which is like that and the pixel folder, the only ones that have it as far as I can see. And like you can totally submerge it and I think it'll survive that okay. But the second you get like a, like a grain in there, then there's not enough space. It's going to pinch something. It's going to impact something. Yeah. So again, this is a video in where he's obviously putting it through a test that no normal person is going to put it through.

But it seems like that plus all of the reports plus Apple then having a comment, which Mark German tweeted out that. Yeah. It's super generic. Yeah. It's like the Apple hasn't given, represented its guidance yet. They did respond.

We are aware of an issue impacting the inner display on a small number of iPhone duo units. If users experience issues with their iPhone duo display, they should contact Apple care for a replacement. Impacts a very small number of units and most iPhone duo units are not susceptible to the inner display issue impacted devices appear to have the defects rather quickly after usage, which affects a small number of units is the default response to every single issue ever.

The Note 7 was a small number of units. It's funny because Apple sometimes, remember when they were like, sometimes they will actually say like, no, you guys are not supposed to be doing this. Like you're holding it wrong. Like the antenna gate stuff or whatever. Like they'll, they'll say you guys, you're just doing it wrong.

But this, they're like, yeah, it's affected. There's a couple, there's a couple out there having issues. So that's all we know. I think if Apple is responding to this, it's, I don't think you should be worried buying the duo. I don't think you should return it if you really want it.

But I think there are enough of there out there that there is some sort of manufacturing issue with this. Yeah. And hopefully if you make it through the first couple of weeks, you're in the clear, but yeah, I'm sure they'll see what happens. Later batches better. Also, if it breaks in that way with that exact line through that exact part of the screen, I'm pretty sure that'll just replace it for you for free.

I've seen already people tweeting saying like they got a replacement unit. Okay. Yeah. Because if you, if you want to get the inner screen replaced, it costs almost as much as buying it entirely. Does it really? Yeah. If you don't have AppleCare. Okay. But I'm sure if it comes with this issue, then it's like, they're just going to replace it for sure.

Did you also see like Zach and them peeling the nanotexture off of? I've seen some videos of that. It's horrible. I've seen it. Yeah. It just reminds me so much of the first Galaxy Fold. They're really tied in flashbacks as well to that moment. Yeah. Yeah. My analogy that I didn't put in the review was it's like, it's, so you can literally just peel the matte layer off of the screen and then it's still usable.

It's just a glossy screen. It doesn't have the oleophobic coating anymore. So it's just kind of like weirdly tacky and it's not meant to be used like that. But then you can just sort of throw it away and keep using the phone and people are like, oh, so you can just take it off if you don't like the matte thing. I would say, no, that's kind of like taking the bumper off of your car.

Yes. Technically it's removable and yes, the car will still drive without it, but like it's there for a reason. It protects the things underneath it. And if it ever gets damaged, then yes, theoretically you can replace it. But it's not like really meant to be operated without it.

If that makes sense. Yeah. So yeah, they sort of designed it in a way that if you damage just the outside, they can replace just the outside with AppleCare. It's like 20 bucks, right? To just replace the outside. I think it was pretty cheap. It sounds like the matte layer is essentially the purpose is kind of hide the crease and also definitely being able to replace just that outside layer from Apple doing it for not that expensive and then using that to keep it going.

Yeah. So anyway, we'll keep an eye on it. I don't think it's some sort of disaster you have to like think about if you're buying a duo, but just like if it does happen to you, just take it back in. I'm just confused by how people are getting replacements so quickly when some people are getting like two to three month wait windows.

That probably pushes somebody else's window back a little bit if you get a replacement. I mean, would they rather have one of those floating around that's broken or would they rather get it out? You know? No, no. I agree. It's just, yeah. A lot of people's windows have been being pushed forward though. And I wonder if that's either from people canceling their orders or if it's from like they were really worried that they didn't have enough stock.

So they were kind of protective about the windows they gave and then they have enough stocks and now they're kind of trickling it out. I think there's a lot of logistics behind that that we won 't quite be able to understand, but there's definitely some sort of predictive like algorithm happening on their site where they see some amount of orders happening and they're like, all right, we're going to hit this point where we sell this many.

So we should start pushing dates back and then sales volume changes. So the dates change. So yeah. Yeah. Under promise, ever deliver. I think it'll be a mix of both. Just like it was the first time where it's like, I'm sure some people are canceling orders not even because of what they're seeing, but just because of it's a four month wait window or whatever.

Like people probably don't want to wait that long, but also be cautious about it. Like a little mix of them. Yeah, totally. So we'll see. It sounds like you guys won't be using your. I mean, I'm still using it. Again, I have an extremely toxic relationship with this.

When do we think David stops using it? I did find a hack with Google Fi that I don't think is supposed to work. And maybe it's kind of handoff. I really wanted to do handoff. I actually initially was like, I should just do handoff and use 18 Pro and then switch back to Duo for like a week at a time.

So you're on AT&T, right? But it's AT&T and handoff is T-Mobile only. And Verizon now. And Verizon now. But Verizon charges $10 a month and T-Mobile charges five. See, this is what we lost. Just for the handoff feature? Yes, just for the handoff. That's so nice. This is what we lost from switching to eSIM only, everybody .

Remember when we had SIM cards and you could just pop, pop, and that was the entire process? Yeah. Yeah, you can't do that anymore. I hate that. I found a feature in Google Fi and like part of me is worried about bringing this up because I don't want them to get rid of it. But at the same time, I think they forgot Google Fi exists.

So it's probably okay. So Google Fi is a feature, which is quite cool, where you can add up to six data-only SIMs. And that's been a feature for a very long time. So you can like add data to your tablet. You can add data to anything that can have an eSIM.

You can just add data to it. Oh, yeah. Because Google Fi charges by the gigabyte anyway if you're not on a family plan that has like a certain amount of data. And so I added a data-only SIM to my Pro. But when I added the data-only SIM, it was like, well, what phone number do you want to use for like, you know, iMessage and your Apple services and even the phone?

And it gave me the option between my main phone number and the extra data-only SIM phone number. And I just said my main phone number. Now I get my texts on both my phones. I get like calls on both my phones. You get phone calls on both? Yeah. Not FaceTime calls. Yeah, regular phone calls.

And you get RCS messages on both? That would be crazy. The main thing that's very confusing that I think probably has to do with like my Apple ID or something is that 80% of the iMessages I get are on both phones. 20% are not. So it's not.

And they're on just your main one. They're just on the main duo. Interesting. Yeah. So, you know, I'm carrying the 18 Pro with me as sort of a portable camera. It's really depressing. This is where I was recently. It's a really good camera.

And I like, you know, if I'm just doing Instagram stories and stuff, the duo just, I need a telephoto. This is maybe a hot take. We've had this so many, we've talked about this so many times, but like, I just don't care about the ultra wide at all. I just want a telephoto. I want to say, you guys have been saying this a lot. Two or three years ago, I was very much the opposite.

And I'm on your team now. Really? I would rather have a telephoto than a telephoto. So if you could only have two cameras on your phone. It may have been because I have kids now. Yeah. And I like to take pictures of them further away, but. Yeah. Yeah. So if you only pick two, you're going primary and zoom. Yes. Dude, I say ditch the primary, keep the ultra wide and the telephoto.

Ultra wide is the most fun. Yeah. But like, yeah. I don't really need it. It is the least high quality, but most like vibes stylized fun camera. Yeah. The ultra wide. Yeah. I mentioned probably like one or two episodes ago that people now like take selfies by like flipping the main around and taking an ultra wide selfie.

Yeah. I thought that was interesting. There's also a trend amongst the zoomers of like putting the ultra wide, like directly above your face and shooting straight down. Yeah. Like train spotting kid. Yeah. Yeah. iPhone air users can't do that. They can't participate. Not yet. Not yet. Next year, theoretically. Even though I'm like, please just have that.

The telephoto is better. Yeah. If Apple's only adding one camera to the next air, they're adding an ultra wide. I know. It feels like what they would do. That's the rumor and I'm sad about it. Yeah. So. But there are phones, are there phones that just have a primary and a telephoto? I don't think so. It's always ultra wide.

They always start with the ultra wide. The user data almost definitely says that people use the ultra wide all the time, even though it's generally the worst camera. It got a lot better this year and they did put the exact same ultra wide sensor in the duo that they have in the 18 pro. So there's that.

I just never use it. Um, but I was like in Brooklyn, like taking photos of the beautiful skyline and like only being able to use the two X, uh, quote unquote optical. Cause it's like cropping into the 48 megapixel sensor. And then zooming to 10 X digital zoom was just really painful.

Yeah. And I just see it way better when you're opened on the duo. Yeah. You open up the screen, you're like, that looks terrible. You definitely see the compression a lot better on the duo. Yeah. I will say for like looking at photos and stuff, the duo is like really awesome. Anyway, we talked about that last week. Yeah. We don't need to reiterate.

Um, cool. Well, we got like a entire week of Apple events and press releases. Marquez wanted to talk about it. But there is one more thing we've got to do before we get there. Sorry if I cut you off or saved you. You actually saved me. Okay. There's one more thing we've got to do before the thing that we always got to do before the break.

And Marquez needs to talk about motion VFX. Built into Final Cut. Oh. Oh yeah. We should talk about that. Technically it was part of the press releases though. Yeah. This is part of Apple press release week. But it's okay. We can, we can do this one up top. Um, yeah. I mean, I've been, so motion VFX has been sort of the primo high quality suite of plugins for not just Final Cut Pro, but like motion, After Effects, et cetera.

Uh, and I've been using them for many years. Then they got bought by Apple. Yeah. And we speculated, probably assumed at some point they would build it into Final Cut Pro. And now, or at least I think coming in November, Final Cut Pro 12.4 or whatever, 12.5, whatever the next version is, it will be literally built into Final Cut Pro.

And so I did get to see some demos of it. Essentially, it's just another panel on the left. You've got your like your media panel, your titles, and then just the motion VFX, MVFX, uh, built into Final Cut Pro. You can download whichever one you want. They're all just sort of looped in and included for free.

Oh, all of them? Oh, literally all of them. Including the MKBHD one? Including the MKBHD one. Now, if you are... That's kind of weird that Apple now distributes the MKBHD motion VFX. Yeah, that was... So, so I had some questions about like how this works. Because as of right now, there are lots of people out there who have paid dozens, if not hundreds of dollars for various motion VFX plugins over the years and continue to use them.

I believe that everyone just gets them now if they sign up for a Final Cut Pro creator... What is it called? Creator Suite. Creator Suite, which is a subscription version. But they have to pay the subscription. But you're now paying the Apple subscription. I think it's the Creator Studio. Creator Studio. I have not been able to find a confirmation of if this will show up in the one-time payment version of Final Cut Pro that we've all been using for the last decade or whatever it is.

I don't think it will. I guess I do not. It seems like they would say that if it was. Yeah. But this is all in literature about the Creator Studio. Yeah. So I assume you have to pay that subscription. It's $130 a year. And you get every single plugin. Notably, if you've used Motion VFX, you know that each one you buy, you then download, which downloads all the assets for it.

And then you restart Final Cut Pro and then you can use it. So basically what will happen is there's this browser of all the Motion VFX plugins. And you just go through, search for one, find the one you want. There's a download button built into Final Cut Pro. It'll download it and install it on the spot. And then you can use it.

So it's pretty cool. Very, very useful set of plugins. And I guess now anyone can use the MKBHD plugin who has the subscription. I would definitely imagine that you need the subscription for it. Because Apple probably feels a lot of FOMO for making Final Cut a one-time payment system.

Yeah. And they're trying to get people who already paid $400 to pay for this subscription. Recurring revenue, baby. That's all a company wants. But you bring up an interesting point of people who spent hundreds of dollars on all the plugins who had the one-time thing.

They just bought all their things one time. Yeah. Now are potentially... But then they don't have to pay for this subscription. I guess they don't have to pay for this subscription. But then if any new Motion VFX stuff comes out, I'm assuming it is only going to be available in the subscription. I don't know. I mean, can you still buy individual plugins right now?

Right now, yes. Because there's also for Resolve and Premiere, right? Yeah. Can you still do that? Yeah. Oh, interesting. So you can still get an installer. It gets really weird the more you think about it, right? Like, why would Apple still want to sell it individually?

They would rather you go... They'd much rather you get the subscription. You have to assume everything... Apple is going to do everything to make you do the subscription. So we are just going to start chipping away at all the things that make sense here and get it to where the only way this works is if you're subscribed.

Maybe the Mac versions will only be available through the subscription and the rest of them could be for Premiere and she could be individual payments. I do think that's going to... But either way, I think their program will still exist, I'm assuming. Yeah. You always...

When you acquire something, you always have to strike a balance between, like, not pissing people off immediately and still offering them what they had before. Immediately. Immediately is the important thing. And then eventually... The most Apple thing would be to do what they did with Dark Sky.

Yeah. Yeah. Because remember when Dark Sky was on Android and iOS and then Apple bought them and the first thing they did was pull it down from the Play Store. Ugh. And I was like, well, there goes one more thing from the other side of the ecosystem that I kind of... There is one more thing. We're getting rid of your favorite weather.

Yeah. Yeah. If I was a student, I feel like this would be a really great deal because you could buy it for, like, one month if you have a project you need it for. Yeah. And then you don't have to pay the upfront cost. So I don't think it's inherently bad. You own nothing and you'll be happy. And you'll love it. The student price is also, like, three bucks a month.

It's crazy cheap. It's pretty, pretty great. Yeah. For students. For students. Yeah. And the MacBook Neo student pricing went up by $150 this week. $650. It evens out. It all evens out in the end. That's 50 months of Final Cut Pro. I feel like if this is the way they're going to force everyone to be subscription, they have to give you some sort of discount for being the $400, the one-time payment person.

Like, do you think there's any chance they make Motion VFX not available on the non-creator studio version of Final Cut? No. Like, they do an update so the third-party plugin doesn't work? I highly doubt it. Something a lot of software does is, like, if you had bought it previously before and then they switched to subscription, it'll still work.

You just won't, you can't get any of the updates after that . Yeah. And, like, you have to buy the subscription in order to get those updates, which is what I could see Apple doing with Final Cut Pro. Yeah. I've always assumed with the creator studio thing is they 're going to make some sort of update to Final Cut that makes it enough of a version step that the $400 version is now a different version than the new version.

Yeah. And the new version has no one-time payment. Which they often do. Yeah, yeah. But this Motion VFX stuff makes me think they're going a different way with getting to that final process. Yeah. I was wondering if they would just start. Make that final cut. Yeah. Make that final cut off.

Freeloaders. I was wondering if they would remove support for the future . To buy a product. Yeah, sorry, Marcus. Would they remove support for Premiere and After Effects? No, there's no way. I feel like there's way more Adobe users than there are Final Cut users straight up.

It's highly possible that every new plugin they make in the future only is for Final Cut Pro. But I don't think that they're going to get rid of the ones that already exist. Oh, I was going to say only available for purchase as Res olve Premiere and then not available for purchase for Final Cut because it's only available in the creators.

I mean, it's not like they're not operating as a separate company that Apple just technically owns. Like, they're part of Apple now. So I imagine they're just not going to make Resolve and Premiere plugins. I guess. I would be surprised if they did that. Well, what makes them more money? Like, not being available for Premiere Resolve and then hoping those people switch to Final Cut?

Probably that. Keeping the stuff open for Premiere Resolve and just making money off of a product that's not even theirs, really. Or that's for something that's not theirs anymore. I think continuing to offer, like, one-time payments for either the old Final Cut or, like, the Adobe users. But that, like, makes you more likely, the more plugins you 're going to get, the more likely you are to see the value in all of them included for free in the subscription.

I bet if you total the value of all the plugins that are in the whole MotionVFX library, that's hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Yeah, yeah. 100%. So if you were, like, just getting started and you see that and you're like, oh, I just want to download three or maybe four or maybe this fifth one.

And then you're like, well, what if I just have access to all of them? Yeah. That makes it a good deal. Stock libraries often have, like, subscriptions where you can download, like, unlimited. Or if you download, like, one photo or one video, it's, like, a one-time payment of $4. But if you do the subscription, which is $5, you can download unlimited or whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys remember when Final Cut had pretty much no DRM on it whatsoever? Oh, yeah. Like, Apple used to literally not care at all about this product. I am not advocating for crime, by the way. I know there's a button in the soundboard. But you've done that before. I know there's a soundboard button.

I know there's a soundboard button. Commit crimes. But there was a period of time. I'm assuming they've patched this now that they've moved over to the Creative Studio. There was a period of time where there was so little DRM on Final Cut that you could walk into an Apple store, go up to one of the Demo Macs, airdrop yourself the app package for Final Cut, and it would fully work.

The only thing you couldn't do is update it. But you could literally walk in and walk out with a stolen copy. I remember. I love to just think that there's, like, an Apple store where, like, there's that guy coming in with his laptop. Oh, there he goes. Why does he come in, like, every two months? They probably just think he's comparing laptops, you know?

But he just stands next to it for a while. Wait, one more time. Just so Apple's lawyers hear me really clearly. Don't do this. Don't commit crimes. Don't do it. Commit crimes. Don't. Do it. See this? Yeah.

Just for reference, Motion VFX, in their subscription thing , claims that all of their elements is worth $12,000. They still have a subscription? If you bought everything individually. $12,000? Motion VFX has a subscription. They still have a subscription. Motion VFX? Yeah. Even though.

I don't know how Motion VFX works. Well, they got their AI stuff. I don't know what they're doing. They're doing all sorts of things. Interesting. Okay. Well, we're going to talk about a lot more related to Apple , fortunately or unfortunately. I'm sorry to the audience that it's been Apple Q2 or H2 this year, but it's just their fault, not ours.

But first, we got to do the thing we always do every single week on Q. Starts with a T, makes Marques do the timeout symbol. Oh. Spooky trivia. Spooky trivia. Spooky trivia.

We should have to do the whole next segment where you trail your voice off at the end of the end. We should just constantly have the echo sound effect on. Can I rant for 30 seconds? Do it. Of course. Okay, okay. Just because we were talking about pricing models and subscription. So as you know, I edit the podcast in Avid Pro Tools, one of the best and worst programs ever made.

So I'm going to be asleep. The way I edit the podcast is I listen to it all the way through once, just taking notes of all the edits I'm going to make. And then I have a giant list of all the edits. And then I go back and I do them all. And then I render the thing. And there's a feature in Pro Tools that makes this possible called Go Back and Play.

It's awesome. All it does is while the playhead's moving through the audio, you hit Go Back and Play. I have like a big physical button on my desk. It jumps the playhead back predetermined amount. I have mine set to like four seconds. And then it keeps going. So if I'm listening and I'm like, oh, was that like Marques hitting his mic or something like that?

I hit it. It goes back. Exactly. I can flag it. A little bit ago, my controller wasn't working. I was hitting the button. I wasn't jumping back. I was like going through. I was trying to reprogram the controller. I reset the macro button. I did everything. I restarted Yukon. Wasn't working.

And then I realized there's two tiers of Pro Tools. There's Pro Tools Studio, which is like 300 a year. And then there's Pro Tools Ultimate, which is 600 a year. So twice as much. This feature is only available in Pro Tools Ultimate. This little tiny button that all it does is jump back four seconds or five seconds or however much you want it to jump.

They want an additional $300. It's the only extra. No, no, no. There's plenty of. Oh, the track limits, right? There's plenty. There's track limits. There's a few other features. But I was just so shocked. Like how greedy do you have to be to keep this tiny feature away?

Bro, that is classic price laddering. It is exactly what I'll be talking about later with the 60 hertz on the iPad mini. Like it's it's one little thing. And there are lots of other great things in the better version. But they'll be like, what's one extremely important thing that we can move?

And it's because they know this one feature saves me like two hours per edit. Yeah. Like if you want this to go full circle. I had one more thing in the ARC browser segment, which was I have to say something nice. They did recently put the Dia daily brief in the $10 subscription a month tier.

Do you want to guess what tier it was in before they swapped it? It was in the $100 a month. $100 a month browser tier. I've been getting $100 a month for Dia. Yeah. Yeah. And it used to be that I think it's mostly for more tokens.

Right. Like it's. Yeah. I mean, they're tailoring this at business. It's like B2B. But daily brief was only in the $100 tier at first. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like. I don't. I don't pay for Dia. So I don't know how I have. He probably sent you. You're probably the early bird. An early bird.

A while ago. But. Oh. Yeah. But. Yeah. Yeah. $100 a month for a browser. A month? A month. Which is like the main feature that people really like about Dia. So good on them for putting it down to 10. Wow. But holy ****. You put it on the.

Oh my God. Yeah. They have a weird tension where they're like. We have to make B2B features. But also. Wait. Regular people use this because we made Arc for regular people. Yeah. Because. We sort of have to make Dia for regular people. I think if they had gotten bought by Atlassian before they started making Dia. They could just make Dia for Enterprise and just not care about regular users.

But because Arc was founded on the regular user. Like we're talking to you. We're having a community thing. They have to sort of tailor to both types of users. Which is just. There's a lot of tension. It's because it's how they got popular. Yeah. Totally. It's like OnePlus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One last thing.

I'm sorry. We'll get to trivia. This is for Andrew. No Man's Sky released on iPhone and iOS. My favorite game ever. I've never said anything bad about No Man's Sky. It's not following me around for the rest of my life. It's been like four years since our No Man's Sky. Which was seven years after it released.

Dude. Yeah. The No Man's Sky drama. There might be some people listening to the podcast that were not born when the No Man's Sky drama happened. No Man's Sky was like one of the most ambitiously like tout ed games of all time. They said it was going to be like unlimitedly playable and there's going to be generated worlds and all this stuff.

And it came out and it was like super lame. But instead of just like moving on, taking the cash and moving on, Sean Murray, who's like the guy who made No Man's Sky, has committed his entire life to making this game like endlessly updated and better and better and better.

And like they literally released an insane update this week . Which is awesome. Still going. Good for him. My initial time I brought up No Man's Sky was more of a shot at Apple trying to be like we're totally, you know, we're on the same level as everyone else with gaming.

Here's a seven year old game to prove that. I had nothing against No Man's Sky. It was just that it was old. Yeah. And it didn't feel like it was proving the point. Yeah. Good for Good for No Man's Sky to keep updating. That is awesome. I never got into it, but I'm sure it's an awesome game. We've come so far since then.

Like, because I remember that was sort of the joke we were making is like, oh, No Man's Sky, like they they touted it so much and then it came out and they didn't deliver. But it like it came out, you know, like like the founders of No Man's Sky didn't get on a stage and make their stupid game do a kickflip and be like, see you in eight more years.

F***ers. Because GTA, how long is it? Is this longer than GTA? It's been 13 and a half years and I know that because the last Straight Light Manifesto album came out the same year as GTA. Not since they announced though. It's been like a year and a half since the initial release date, right?

Yeah. It got pushed like a few months, then got pushed a full year. Yeah. Now supposedly it's coming out next month, I think. Yeah. Yeah. We got to do spooky trivia. Okay. Do it. All right. One more time. Whoa. Spooky trivia. Ryan, would you like to read? The Crow.

I can also read them both. Caw, caw. Question number one brought to you by Mariah Zank. Lord Farquad. Okay, gamers. Let's go gamers. It's a fun question. Okay. Google, aka.

Google. Google. Google. A.K.A. The Grim Reaper of Technology. Has officially scheduled Chrome. Which was changed to Google in 1897. Is that my phone? No, it's Mariah's phone.

Gemini is talking. Very cool. That's my bad. My bad. Google, thank you. That's my bad. Google, aka. The Grim Reaper of Technology. Has officially scheduled Chrome OS's demise. Insert thunder noise there. Really? Closest without going over.

What year will Chrome OS be killed? Oh. Wait, when did this happen? Chrome OS? Chrome OS is going to get sunset? I don't know. Are we learning something on trivia? Did this just get announced? They're still making it. It got announced. It got announced a month ago. That they were going to sunset Chrome OS and just have Google Book OS?

Two weeks ago, they were like, yeah, Chrome OS is going to live alongside Google Book OS. I have the Tom's Hardware article up right now. Can you just read while the headline probably has to be. Yeah, what does the headline actually say is going to happen? No more Chromebooks? Sorry, I'm not saying I don't trust you.

In fact, I'm surprised it's not already. I'm shocked I missed that. Hold on, hold on. The people want to know. Here we go. That's great. That's sinister. That's good. Google confirms Chrome OS phase out in blank.

Blank year. Support lifeline cut short for some devices. Company says it will support transition to Google Book OS. That was by Andrew E. Friedman on Tom's Hardware.

Wow. That's crazy. I remember reviewing Google Books and a big part of my question was, so are Chromebooks still a thing? And then Google going out and being like, yes, yes, yes, yes. Of course.

There's still Chromebooks. They're the cheaper ones. Google Books are the nice premium ones. And I go, oh, that's the distinction. But there's also Chromebook Plus. Yeah. This is a deja vu episode. Wow. Because we also got told, Ark's going nowhere, Ark's going nowhere, Ark's going nowhere. And there's also Hangouts.

And there's also Messages. And there's also Aloe. And Duo. And Duo. And Meet. And there's also Google Meet. And there's also, I don't know. There's so many. So closest without going over will win this point. The year they're sunsetting it or like the date? The exact date? Okay.

The month? Should we do the- I have the month and year. I have the month. But I thought it would be scarier if you just guessed the year. Just the year? But if you want to guess the month too, you can do that. Does it get us anything?

If you get the closest. I think, should they get a bonus point if they get the month? Yeah, of course. What do we have to lose? Sure. You can do it. Well, we'll think about it like we usually do. Answers will be at the end. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Framer.

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Let's talk about the sequence of events that we got during the first half of this week that were all news and products that are coming out from Apple. Big company around here. We've talked about their stuff a lot. And it's Techtober, so they had a bunch of new products for us. Monday, then Tuesday, then Wednesday.

That's right. Let's start with Monday. Okay. New iPad mini. Boom. Boom. Just dropped. OLED. It's OLED. It's an A20 Pro chip. It is 128 gigs of base storage. It is 60 hertz.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the worst part. This is like good feature, bad feature, good feature, bad feature. The more, okay, I'll just get the rest of the specs out. But I actually, I think I'm going to, I wasn't going to review this, but I think I'm going to because it is maybe the most Apple product in a long time.

Okay. So it starts at $700, right? It is an eight and a half inch OLED, 60 hertz. We've talked about that already. And that is a genuine, like we were all looking forward to an OLED iPad mini. What a nice little tablet to have a little OLED in there. Was I hoping it would have a, oh my God.

That's the other thing. It has a, oh God. It doesn't, it doesn't have features. Go through the features. Okay. It has no face ID still. It has the touch ID button. Yeah. They have gotten rid of the speaker holes. Instead of speaker grills, it is an acoustic display.

Whoa. So the audio fires directly out at you through the display. It's kind of interesting. Ah. It's thinner. It's lighter. The selfie cameras move to the landscape bezel. It's IP67. I think that's why the speakers are changed.

To remove speaker holes to give it an IP rating. Yeah. And it does have a nanotexture version available. So that's your base specs. There's speaker holes in the IP. That's not your base specs. Or well, I guess. That's your specs. That's just what the new iPad mini is. Nanotexture is only available.

You can't get it in a base storage. Yeah. So this is where we start getting into why it's such an Apple product. Because price laddering. Because this price laddering is unbelievable with this product. It already starts at $700, as we've already established, right? All right. Okay. First of all, they ladder you between iPads because this is a 60 hertz display.

Where do you find a 60 hertz OLED in 2026, the year of our Lord? I don't know. I wonder if this is going to be one of those situations where it's capable of ProMotion, but they just didn't enable it. It's almost undoubtedly capable of 120 hertz.

Because the A20 Pro chip, doesn't that have the display chip in it? Yeah. It's probably an LTPS display that can do either 60 or 120 or something like that. And then they just decided to do 60. I hope someone tries to vibe code crack this. That would be amazing. So that right there is price laddering you to go, man, if I could get 120 hertz, then you go straight up to the iPad Air, which is a whole other product we could talk about.

But then, okay, we also should talk about the nanotexture. So if you pick a color, I'm just on their website right now , and you start at the $700, 128 gig. By the way, real quick, there's only two colors. Only two. I feel like iPad Mini was the one that had a couple. Like, I have a purple one, even though it's barely purple.

Yeah, this is another Apple thing they do where your only color options are cream, not white, and dark blue, not black. What are you doing? Stop doing this. This is the same as the iPhone Duo. Like, give us black or white. But they're like, how about not quite black or not quite white?

All right, fine. LaCroix black. Yeah. So $700, 128 gig. Already not off to a great start. If you want the nanotexture glass, Oh my gosh. you have to upgrade to the 256 gig or 512 gig model. Why would the storage in any way be tied to the way you assemble the display?

I don't know. But that bumps you up, first of all, to get 256 gigs to $ 800. Then you pay for nanotexture, and that's $900. Oh my God. $100 for the nanotexture? $100 extra dollars. On an iPad mini? You have to bump up your storage to even get the privilege of paying the $100 to get the nanotexture.

So now you're at $900 for your iPad mini. You can get a half terabyte. That's a $1,000 iPad mini. That means it's an $1,100 iPad mini with nanotexture. Yeah, if you want cellular, you can pay $1,100 for this iPad. Extra one.

No, you can pay $1,250 if you want cellular. If you want all the fixings, it's $1,250. Yeah, so that's crazy. A mini? And I already know, I can already see people clipping this on Twitter being like, why do you even care about 60 hertz? I promise you, it would be, it's not even that I have a problem with 60 hertz, but it would be so easy to make this 120 hertz display.

It's so easy. Where are you even, like, find me another brand new, just coming out this year, $900 OLED tablet that has a 60 hertz display. Yeah. It's very clear that you can make this 120 hertz. They're choosing not to, and I notice it, and not everyone will, but I do, I obviously notice it.

The other things that's so Apple about this is they can argue that 120 hertz is ProMotion, and we don't do ProMotion on a non-Pro product. They do now. Except they do now, because the iPhone 17 has ProMotion, and- 18, right?

17. The regular 17 as well? Base 17. There is no 18 yet, but that will have ProMotion. Oh, you're right. But then also, there's an A20 Pro chip in this iPad, so you already did it on this product.

Yeah. So you could easily just throw in ProMotion. So that's another price-laddering thing. Another reason why it's a very Apple product is the lack of speaker holes. It's really interesting. The sort of cleanup of the bottom of the device, if you look at it, it's just the port.

I will, I'll go out on a limb and say, I do think making the mini IP rated makes the most sense. And if that's what they had to do, I think the mini is the one that you care less about audio quality. Like, let's assume, besides the fact that it's now $700, that iPad mini is probably the most likely you're going to throw at your kid to let them watch something.

Totally. So, like, avoid spills. Your kid's not going to be like, the frequencies of this audio, unless you're Ellis. The 10-year-old's not going to be like, Clifford the Big Red Dog sounds way less, way tinnier in this iPad mini. I totally agree. I think it's the perfect- So, like, it makes the most sense here.

Yeah. I guess my question is, why did that require getting rid of the speaker holes? I've, there's phone, they make phones with speaker holes that are IP68 rated. Like, there's lots of devices that have speaker holes that are IP68 rated. They decided on this one to do the IP67 rating.

For the kids also? 67. Okay, I get that. It's for the kids. Totally fine. But, without the speaker holes, and that's like an unnecessary but random cool thing they decided to just do on this iPad mini. Cool. All right. Interesting. I also realized my whole argument works for the 60 hertz thing, too.

So, I disagree with Andrew. I am now Adam. Shut the hell up, Andrew. You're wrong. Make it 120 hertz. Yeah, it's, it's this, it's an interesting little product. It's, it's very Apple to not have black or white. It's very Apple to walk you up the ladder like this. Yeah, they have the same color as the Duo.

You heard the acoustic screen. Did you get to hear it at the event? So, at the event, they had iPad minis there. And I have gotten to hear it. And? I mean, there's a lot of people running around and yelling, so I couldn't really evaluate. The Macro Pro also had new speakers. I couldn't really tell if they were better. But, you can feel it sort of vibrating in your hand, which is interesting.

Yeah. Because it's, the whole thing is kind of a speaker. I think there's a, look, it's like a built-in tablet speaker. Like Andrew said, this is not, you know, high fidelity gold . But I do think there's a solid chance it could sound better than the speaker grill.

I will be, I will A-B test them. I'm really curious to hear. Yeah. Wow. So, yeah. It's the new iPad mini. I, I'm not surprised that this got its own one day press release and they moved on pretty quickly from it. Yeah. Because it's not really mind-blowing. Interesting how they're doing the same colors as the Duo with this.

Just the, the dark blue and the starlight. That is. If it's the iPad for kids, like, give us some colors. Yeah. Well, is it still the iPad for kids? At $700? Yeah. What else would be the iPad for kids? Just the iPad iPad? Do they still sell the iPad iPad? The education iPad.

The iPad. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. That's the base one. So, they discontinued the previous mini. Is that correct? Yes. So, this one's just for pilots at this point. So, the one for kids now is, I guess, the base iPad, which is $450. Wow. That's a lot cheaper. But it's a big screen.

So, you know, we like that. Yeah. Kids like that. Big screen kid. So, what's the value of getting a smaller iPad for more expensive? Just OLED? That's it? You know, when you look at, like, the way Apple markets these things, they show the iPad mini. You remember, like, how pilots love the iPad mini? Yeah. And, like, students like the iPad mini for note-taking.

They have pencil support. I love the iPad mini. I got my dad an iPad mini. It's, like, nice to read on. Like, it's a nice little iPad. If I'm carrying my laptop, I don't want to carry another thing that's basically the size of a laptop. I want the iPad mini to, like, watch stuff on the plane or, like, maybe bring for notes on something.

But, God forbid an iPhone be mini, man. The thing is, like, this is, like, a lot of overlap with the Duo, as we sort of have mentioned. Yeah. The thing that makes the Duo a nice size to hold and read also makes the iPad mini a nice size to hold and read. You know what my conspiracy theory was?

Is that this is $700 because the iPhone is now, was it $1, 200 or $1,300 for the Pro? The iPhone 18 Pro? 18 Pro is $1,100, right? Pro Max is more? I think it's more than $1,100. Here, let me look. iPhone 18 Pro.

I think it starts at $1,200. Okay. Damn. So, the reason... This is a complete conspiracy theory. Oh, I see. But you could buy an iPhone 18 Pro and an iPad mini and it would be $1,900. Wow.

But for a little bit more, for $100 more, you can buy both at the same time. Coincidence? For this car, you can get a little bit less. Yeah. So much of this... But you'd have 120 hertz in there. Yeah. Oh, my God. This makes me wonder, like, because Apple is increasing prices across the board of basically every product, it makes me wonder if the Duo would have been cheaper in, like, if it came out before Ramageddon.

Oh, yeah. I think so. You think so? I think so. I don't know. Because it's, like, the same price as... I mean, it's not the same price as the Fold 8 anymore, but, like, what the Folds used to cost was always $2,000. Mm-hmm. And it's $2,000. So, they could have undercut, but I feel like they might be charging less than they should be because they want people to adopt it.

Relative to, like... Oh, so you think. Yeah. Because remember, we thought it was going to be, like, $2, 400. True. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that was day one. That was day one. I was just going to say, this iPad mini feels like half of a team wanted to make iPad mini pro, and the other half of the team wanted to just make the next...

Where they, like, added these things, like, OLED nanote xture. Honestly. And then they were, like, but no face... A new chip. Like, this could have felt like a really big leap because the previous iPad mini's A17 Pro, I think. Yep. So, like, this could have really felt like...

Yeah. A totally different product. I really like the idea of an iPad mini pro. Yeah. This, with 120 hertz and face ID, is all I would need to make this an iPad mini pro. Yeah, but then, with this being the base iPad mini, iPad mini pro then starts at $1,000 at $128 for just those two things.

Yeah. I think that's the issue, is they probably couldn't find a place to keep an iPad mini under an iPad mini pro. Well, addressing... Addressing your take, Andrew, I think that they just needed to make more OLED panels to make the cost of the OLED for the new MacBook Pro go down. Mm. So, if they just make as much OLED as possible and then slowly start sticking it at as many products as possible, then it becomes cheaper to make OLEDs .

Well, the other one's a Pro-LED, so... Oh, right, right. Oh, right. That one can do 120 hertz, right? Okay. Anyway. Sorry. Okay. Day two. Day two. Day two. Day two. So, day two, we get the Apple Creator Studio update, like we've talked about. Yeah. We also get a new M6 iMac and M6 14-inch MacBook Pro.

Yeah. So, they basically just did a chip refresh for those two machines. There's no new colors. Nothing really else changed with the iMac, right? It's just the same iMac, but with the new chip. Can I read you the quote that proves that this is literally just a new chip? Yeah. In the press release, it says, The new iMac is a tremendous upgrade, especially for users coming from an Intel-based iMac who will experience performance up to 18 times faster.

Jesus Christ. Wait. The Intel? 18? That's really fun. That's actually a great quote because, first of all, obviously, if you're coming from an Intel-based iMac, you are going to experience a completely different- It's not even the same product. It's completely different.

You're going to feel like this is a new class of computer. Yeah. But also, it would be funny if they compared it to M1 because, yeah, if you compare this to the Intel one, 18 times, yeah, 18 times. Everything's blazing fast on this computer. But, yeah, compared to M1, that's maybe a little more interesting.

Yeah. And then M6 MacBook Pro, only in 14-inch. It starts at $2,000 and comes with 16 gigs of RAM and a ter abyte of storage. If you buy the 16-inch, you can get M5 Pro and M5 Max. The M5 Pro does start at 24 gigs of RAM, but it is 3,000.

So, definitely expensive computer. Day two, the most boring day of all time. For sure. But day three, day three is what we've been waiting for for a very long time. Marques went to an event specifically to see what they announced at day three, which was the new MacBook Pro with ProLED and a touchscreen.

ProLED XDR. For some reason, a touchscreen. Yes. ProLED XDR. Okay. So, the headlining feature is that it has a new tandem OLED display, which is also a touchscreen. But there are also a bunch of other little small things that they also updated around this laptop that, to me, are frankly more interesting than the touchscreen part.

Quality of life improvements. And are, yeah, it has my head spinning. It's also, it's a very expensive computer. It starts that base 14-inch with ProLED XDR. It's $2,900. Yeah. And the base 16-inch is $3,400.

That's before any memory or 16 terabytes of storage or whatever you're going to do to the thing. Yeah. So, very pricey. But, you know, we just also got a Surface Ultra that's like $3,000 and touchscreen and RTX Spark. Yeah, but that is 5,166. GPU cars? Yeah, right.

True. Very true. Different strokes. Okay. So, yeah, the screen is awesome. I spent a lot of time looking at this thing and they had a whole bunch of HDR content. That was their favorite thing to do is show us, like, you know when you go on YouTube and search, like, 4K HDR?

It's got those, like, colorful bright bubbles through, like , a lava lamp through, like, black space. Like, it's beautiful. That stuff all looked amazing. Not that the mini LED laptop I'm looking at ever looked bad , but you get a 10 million to one contrast ratio.

You basically eliminate blooming completely. Yeah. Like, the individual pixels light themselves. It's a great looking screen. They rounded off the bottom corners a little bit as well. They did some interesting stuff, like, slightly thinner bez els. They also did a dynamic island at the top.

And they did, what else was I going to say? Oh. And, well, okay, so it's a touchscreen. And it also keeps the ability to switch to a nanotexture as well. So, there's a whole bunch there with this new screen. It looks great. They've also re-architected the thermal design inside the laptop.

Can I have two gripes about the screen before we move on? Sure. Gripes. This is the best screen I've ever seen. ProLED is a terrible name. Oh, totally. Terrible name. I think we all... ProLED seems like a pun that I would just make on the fly and then say, ha, ha. I was trying to figure out...

And then they don't finish the name, like, for real. So, pro... So, okay. To try to break this down, Pro Display XDR. Was there a mini-LED Pro Display and XDR was for HDR. Now, this is ProLED XDR.

So, ProLED is like a concatenation of Pro and OLED. Yeah. And then XDR for HDR. Even though mini-LED already did HDR, they didn't call it X DR. Or did they? I don't even know if they did. I have no... I can't keep up with their naming. It's too hard. MacBook Pro with...

They could have just said OLED. But they decided to say ProLED. Yeah. And then XDR. So, it's MacBook Pro with ProLED XDR. Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah. Guys, so I agree. Bad name. We did say, do we think they're going to name this something different? And not really.

Yeah. It's like, with blah, blah, blah. I actually think that's pretty important framing for a lot of this, which is this is just one option in the MacBook Pro lineup. This isn't like a new computer. This is the MacBook Pro with the touchscreen. It is weird, though, because when you go to the Apple website and click MacBook Pro, it is two separate options.

It is this with ProLED and then the two other ones with M6, M5 Pro, M5 Max are like separate options. My other just quick gripe is I think this is the worst marketing background they've ever put on any Apple product.

The wallpaper? The wallpaper on it is so... Why? Why? It's really hard to tell that it says Pro. I think this... It says... Yes. Wait, this one? No, no, no. Look up just like... Look up Apple MacBook. MacBook Pro with OLED and you'll see all the...

The stretchy one. It looks like a broken screen, which I think is funny because it kind of looks like all the streaks that are coming across iPhone duos when they break. Oh, this? That. Yeah. It looks really bad. I know they... It does. It's a choice. They also, in most of the marketing material, kept showing screens that don't show Dynamic Island, which feels like one of the bigger upgrades of this.

And to prove that it's a new screen. Yeah. I know in some you said they looked like they were in display mode, but I don't know. I just think a lot of times it looks like there's just this huge black bar across the top. They did. A lot of full screen apps do that and they will sort of hide it. And I'm not sure if that's because if you build your app for full screen with a computer with a notch, it doesn't use that top space.

Yeah. It's because they don't want the Dynamic Island cutting into the content. Yeah. Which is kind of ironic because if you watch YouTube videos on the Duo on the front screen, the front screen and like the status bar and stuff are just sitting over the video.

Yeah. But that's a YouTube problem. When I full screen apps on this laptop, it saves the space at the top with the notch and the menu bar. And it just. Okay. Yeah. It does the same thing on this new one. So I'd be curious if new apps, if apps like change that on this new MacBook Pro.

Yeah. But yeah, Dynamic Island, what you said is, I guess it's not really an upgrade. I guess it's smaller of a cutout. Dynamic Island. Dynamic Island. Sorry. But it's just a selfie camera and ambient light sensor still. But they added like live activities and that's where your spotlight comes out of.

They added software things to it. Yeah. That makes it better. And I do think it still looks better than the notch. The notch still looks awful. And I actually kind of like the notch. I think Dynamic Island looks better. And also just in my eyes, it's not even just that it's too hard to make a marketing image say touchscreen.

So to make a MacBook that looks like everything else look new, the Dynamic Island might be one of the only visual differences. Definitely. So I don't know why they're hiding it. And not in the main wallpaper, but in a lot of other press material, they're hiding it. Yeah. But it is a new change on the front. There's also a new change on the back.

It was getting people really excited about this laptop. Which is they've brought back the glowing Apple logo. Yeah. On the back. Yeah. You might be watching the video version and realizing I'm not exactly the biggest glowing Apple logo lover. I've just typically covered up the logo on the back of my laptop.

I've de-branded my, you know, that's where they made the name from, right? Yeah. De-brand. But it glows. And you know what's funny about that? This is an OLED laptop, which means it doesn't have a back light. Yeah. And I remember those old laptops with the lighting logo.

You could kind of just like cut a hole in the back and like use the backlight. And so if you have a brighter display, it'll have like a brighter glowing logo, which is like kind of neat. This one does the same thing. Yeah. If you have a brighter display, the back logo glows brighter, but there's no backlight.

They've just built a new piece just to light the logo. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. They really wanted people to have that. I mean, yeah, I don't want to walk into the cafe and see these just blaring. Oh, you'll see them. Yeah. You'll know. That guy got the new one.

You can see it's glowing over there. Film school lecture halls where you have to like watch movies are just going to be lit up. Yeah. Luckily, you can turn it off. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is really interesting how they did it, though, because it still looks like the standard black Apple logo on the back, but then it lights up white.

And I don't really know how they are doing that. They were really cagey about it. Really? Yeah. Interesting. That's a weird thing to be cagey. It is. I agree. Multiple people multiple times were super cagey about it. I remember I walked up to the guy at the hands-on area and I was like, wow.

Oh, it lights up. He's like, yeah, it goes up with brightness and down. And I started doing that and I was like, wow, that's interesting. There's no backlight, though. And he was like, yeah, we just designed it this way to do that. And I was like, that was a weird response. And then I went and had some other meetings and the iFixit guys were like, so how do you do it?

And they were like, well, you'll do your tear down. You'll figure it out. Wait, so the iFixit guys were there? Not the iFixit guys, but it's people who do tear down. Oh, okay, okay, okay. And they're going to figure it out eventually. Yeah. But I thought that was hilarious. Yeah, it's an LED, a light emitting decal. It does look good.

People were very happy about that. Yeah. The rest of the laptop looks very similar. Same speaker looks, although there are slightly different speakers that should have more bass according to them. Yeah, it's a 50% better bass. Great. I'll check that out. specifically for playing in clamshell mode.

Like playing when the lid is closed. Yeah, so that it's closed? They've tuned it to do better. Do that? Presumably, I guess, if you're putting an external monitor that doesn't have speakers, although they don't even sell the monitor that doesn't have speakers anymore. Incredibly specific use case. Yeah. You're plugging it into an external monitor and using it in clamshell mode, but you still want to use the speakers of the laptop that's sitting on your desk.

Maybe you hit your music and then hold it like a boom box closed. Look, I'll say on road trips, I'll forget to bring a Bluetooth speaker and we'll want to listen to music in the motel while we're hanging out and doing our film stuff. And I just use my MacBook Pro and it sounds pretty good. Closed? No. Well, yeah, but now we might save some battery by closing it and not having the screen on.

Yeah. Yeah. Close it up now. Yeah. Interesting. Same ports. Rufus and I have both blown out the speakers on our MacBook Pros. Really? Yeah. We don't know how we did it. But the fact that both of us now have blown out speakers. Interesting. The two sound guys blow out the speakers.

I don't know how they did it. I thought the whole thing was that it like was measuring the amount of power that went through it and it like lowered the heat and everything. They measure it so that they can run the speakers as hot as possible all the time. Yeah. So I think that just over time. Okay. Pour it out. Well, it's much lighter.

Yeah. So speaking of running hot, new cooling system in the laptop and that combined with the new display being lighter, the whole machine is substantially lighter. Yeah. That's probably maybe the biggest difference. difference. This is my favorite difference with this laptop.

Yeah. The 14 inch computer goes from three and a half pounds to three. That's pretty nice. The 16 inch goes from, I think it's 0.7 pounds lighter. So it's like almost, it's like 3.8 pounds now. It's something crazy. It's like almost the same weight as the old 14, which is crazy.

It's like. It's so funny because like people who hate Apple are going to be like. 4 pounds to 3 pounds. 0.7 pounds. But like, that's a significant percentage of the total weight. Yeah. That's like a noticeable difference. Picking it up. I, I noticed it immediately and was very happy about it.

Like the way that the MacBook Air with the big screen feels like a big light Mac. We got so very used to these MacBook Pros being like thicker and chunkier. Cause like, oh, we got the ports. We got the performance. It's all great. We just accepted that they were heavier. But now seeing this one and feeling it be lightweight. I was like, oh, that's nice.

Yeah. We don't know. Now the question is how does this new cooling system perform? Cause you have this new OLED, this tandem OLED, which gets brighter, generates more heat. You have the same M5 Pro or M5 Max chips, which also generate a lot of heat.

Speakers generating a lot of heat. Like all this is still going on. Like how will long-term thermal performance be changed with this new one? We'll see. I'm so excited to try this computer. You're about to render everything. I'm about to max out the $14,000 16 terabyte option.

You can get 16 terabytes of internal storage. That's pretty awesome. But yeah. I want to clarify really quickly. Half a pound lighter on the 14 inch and 0.7 pounds lighter on the 16 inch. Yeah. Yeah. The way the price laddering works is really interesting because when you pay for certain things, you also get more of other things.

For example, if you buy the M5 Pro, it starts at 24 gigs of RAM and a terabyte. If you buy the M5 Max, but then you get the 18 core CPU, 32 core GPU, it starts at 36 gigs, two terabytes. So at least you get more double the storage when you're paying.

I mean, it's an extra $1,400 for the Max chip, but you also get an extra terabyte of storage and you get 12 more gigs of RAM. If you get the eight more cores of GPU, it also gets upgraded to 48 gigabytes of RAM. So that's nice.

You're losing money if you don't go there. Yeah. I mean, it's a, yeah. For the extra $300, you are getting 12 gigs of RAM. And can you buy 12 gigs of RAM for $300 in 2026? That's not bad. Yeah. So it is, it is strange. It's kind of hard to spec this out. But if you do just hit the top button for every single one, you will spend 15 grand.

Yeah. Which is crazy. Okay. And then the main thing we need to talk about, because this is sort of their big deal, which it probably shouldn't be, but the touchscreen. Do you want to talk about the touchscreen and how they have optimized macOS and stuff like that? Yeah. If they've really done that. So a couple of interesting things with the touchscreen.

Yeah. You can kind of think of this as like the trackpad, but on the screen. Okay. I think that's the best way to explain it. No pencil support. That's crazy. But you can do, you know, the four finger gesture to swipe between spaces. You can do that. You can pinch to zoom.

You can scroll and do all sorts of things in apps that have input, obviously. So that works pretty well. There are also lots of little touch targets and small things happening. So when you want to drag a window around, you have to like grab the exact like top handle on the window.

And that's kind of hard to grab. But if you manage to grab it, you can fling it to the side and it'll give you a half size, half screen size window. That's nice. That's pretty cool. And then if you hit the tiniest touch target on the whole Mac, which is just the three stoplight buttons. Yeah. One touch expands them and makes them all bigger.

And then your second touch actually selects your button. Okay. So that's at least one adaptation. The rest seems to just be dynamic islands. Swipe down from the top to open spotlight and type in search or Siri. That feels so stupid to be like, I already had command space, which you still have, but it's something that has to be typed on.

So you have to go to the top and then come down to your keyboard. I guess that is one motion, but. Yeah. Yeah. They did that. And then there's all those controls in the corner of Mac OS that always have looked like they're optimized for touch. Now they're not any different.

You literally just slide on them and they work exactly like that. That's maybe a little faster if you just want to do that real quick than like going up and I mean, not a lot faster. I don't know. What I've noticed is that the big gestures with like large touch targets work nice.

Like the big four finger paw across to move spaces or like a scroll on a website, that type of stuff that works fine. The hinge is a little bit stiffer. It's not a huge difference. I wanted to ask about that. It's like new designed hinge, right? Every video I saw still looked like most hinges.

You have a MacBook Pro in front of you right now. I guess this one is pretty wobbly. It's pretty close to that. It's not. It's close to this? It's close. Hold on. Okay. Yours is a little wobblier than this. But it's more. It's pretty similar to this. It's more reinforced, would you say? It feels 15% stiffer than this one.

Yeah, yeah. But the other thing you'll notice is that all of the small touch targets and little things that people were trying to do and all these demos like hitting the play button in Final Cut Pro or like hitting just like the play head or like certain moving little small things around. Yeah. Tons and tons of awkward missed touches all of the time.

It looks frustrating to use. Like I was playing with it for a little bit, like trying to move windows around. I would mess up. I put a video on Twitter where you see me like miss the touch target three or four times. Yeah. Like it's not designed to be used this way. It is simply an extra option for if you occasionally want to use it.

Which they kind of framed it that way. Yeah. It didn't seem like they really went crazy hard and like it 's completely different now because you can touch it. Yeah. It was kind of in between. I think. Yeah. But at the same time, their demos were like touch this MacBook and the whole wall were like also replicates the touching that you're doing.

Yeah. A little much. It was like reinventing the touch screen. Yeah. First principle. No one's ever seen this before. Yeah. Yeah. Brand new. The Steve Jobs quote rings so true. It makes good demo. Yeah. It makes really cool demo. Touching a screen. It does.

Weirdly enough, like the oohs and ahs from the crowd were like when they started like the original iPhone moment where they started pawing across the screen, people went, whoa, I can do that now. And then you look at the actual use case examples and you 're like, someone pulled up like a MIDI controller, like a tiny piano in Logic and was like playing it.

God, that looks like the worst experience of all time. I was like, I'm not a musician. Okay. I'm not making music. But that doesn't look comfortable. That doesn't look like how I would want to compose. I guess it's something you can do as an option. Yeah. But yeah, it's not like a reason to exist.

To me, touchscreens have always felt like in certain random use cases, they're kind of helpful. Like in Photoshop, I used to use a Surface Book 2. And I really liked in Photoshop being able to like turn things with my fingers and zoom in like that and do things like that and occasionally use the pencil, but very, very infrequently.

And that was like, cool, but I didn't really use it for anything else. And so sure, it makes sense to just throw a touchscreen in because you might as well. But honestly, and I've been saying this for years and I don 't know how hard I'm not like a mechanical engineer, so I don't know how hard this is to do. They have a massive, massive touchpad on these computers.

Just add Apple Pencil support. Because what this doesn't have, the screen doesn't have, is Apple Pencil support. If the Steve Jobs quote specifically says that vertical touchscreens just aren't comfortable and just don't work and make your arm tired. The touchpad is horizontal.

You could just, you know, and maybe it's really, really hard to do, but they figured out how to make a glowing Apple logo. So I feel like they could figure out how to make that work. I feel like there's a lot of brands that take risks with the touchpad. Like I think Asus, is it the Zen books have always done kind of crazy things. Yeah. And I don't know why no one else is doing that.

And I feel like they will eventually do it. This feels like a case of Apple not wanting to cannibalize the iPad. But they're slowly cannibalizing their own products with their own products. Because eventually they're forced to, right? They separate them out into you can only do this with this product. You can only do this with this product. But eventually they start to converge over time and then they just give in.

And they gave in with the iPhone Duo and they need to just give in with the MacBook. I, so the way that my video ended, my impressions of the event is, first of all, yes, the, the touchscreen is just an option and it's a thing you can do if you want, but it just kind of sits there.

You can disable it. You can just never use it. Yeah. But the other thing I keep feeling is that this new Ternus Apple is a little bit more willing to just try some stuff. Yeah. that doesn't necessarily fit as well in like a, like a, yeah, it's a little less structured, a little less like visionary about how things should be.

Right. Um, older versions of Apple, and I had my frustrations with it. They refuse to make certain products because of that overlap. They would be very clear about like, this is the iPhone and it shall not touch the iPad, which shall not touch the Mac, which shall not touch. And they, they have these very clear delineations and as you brought up iPhone duo, it's right in the middle there.

You're like, what is this product? Well, it's an iPhone and an iPad basically. Yeah. What? This is like something they would never have done in the past. Yeah. And now we're seeing a touchscreen on a Mac book, which is, you know, it feels exactly like stepping on iPad pro's toes. If they had done any more with pencils, it would feel like it's literally cannibalizing it.

Yeah. So that's interesting. But all of them are also, yeah, they're just kind of like an option. that you can try if you want. And because people are so used to the old Apple. Yeah. When the new iPhone comes out, there's a whole group of humans that are interested in the newest iPhone because it's the newest iPhone.

But when the newest iPhone is just the iPhone duo, that's not really necessarily for everyone. It feels a little weird. Like, oh, this is, it's the newest, most expensive iPhone. Surely it's the best one and I should get it. Not really. It's just like a new thing you could try if you want, but not for everyone. Yeah. And same thing with this new laptop.

There's a lot of creators and a lot of developers. 3D artists. And a lot of 3D artists who are saying, oh, there's a new highest end MacBook Pro. Boom. Okay. What's in it? It's not for everyone. It's just, they threw a touchscreen in there and they're like, well, I don't need a touchscreen. Well, then don't get it.

It's not for you. They're just trying this new thing that they're adding to the lineup. And yes, it is expensive and very overkill for most people, but it's like an extra thing that they're just trying out. That's true. And I kind of like that. Yeah. And it's weird just for it to feel like something monument ous, maybe for Apple it is, because so many other brands have been doing it for years.

Yeah. And it's hard to be an educated consumer, but if you only just exclusively buy Apple and you don't know what else is in the market, it might feel like a really big deal. Yeah. But I think healthy competition is good, I would say. Did you see the clip of Kai Sanat? I was literally about to bring that up.

About a Samsung Fold for the first time. And they're like, this is like eight years old at this point. He's like, a Samsung? Are you kidding me? Samsung Duo? He said Samsung Duo. Did he say that? Yeah. Yeah. It's weird because Apple marketing, to your point, very much still in old Apple land.

Like everything is brand new and grandiose and like amazing . We reinvented this thing. This is the first time you've ever seen it. And that, yeah, it kind of goes against their show up late and make it better than the competition thing because the competition's been doing it for years. Yeah. So, yeah, it is kind of interesting to see that.

And then at the other end of the spectrum, there's the Home View, which they're really trying to not cannibalize the iPad with the Home View because you can't install third- party apps on it. Yeah. They only give you the Apple apps on it. Yeah. So, they know because they know that you would just like people are using their iPads as home like control displays.

But now they're like, well, you can have a Home View for 300 bucks or you could have an iPad. But they don't cross. We don't want them to cross. Even though it's just a square iPad on a speaker. You could get an iPad mini and a HomePod mini. Yeah. Or you could get a Home View.

Yeah. It's weird. I think if this keeps up, we're going to see a lot more random-feeling Apple products that aren't necessarily in line for some vision of the computing future. Yeah. Vision is also a pun. Because I think they're going to do other headsets that are like next to Vision Pro, an expensive one, a cheaper one, a Duo.

This is why I think they're going to do a big Duo. They're going to do a Duo Pro. I'm more sure of a bigger one. I think they're going to do a different Duo. It's the same shape. It's going to be an iPad that folds in half. I think they're going to get there. Yeah. So anyway, that is a little more interesting, a little more fun, and a little less directed.

I definitely don't hate the idea of an Apple that makes different products for different people instead of just being like, here's the price ladder if you want the best one. This is who it's for everybody, and it's just more expensive. Yeah. They're a company that can, I feel like, afford to take risks, so why not try new stuff?

They're one of the few consumers that come in there. Yeah. So that was that. I think that's going to be the last giant Apple announcement of the year. I think we are officially done. Sayonara. Sayonara. I'm tired, man.

Don't worry. Don't worry. I have so many more videos to make, too. There's so much stuff. Yeah, you got to do home view review. I got to review these things. You got to review the laptops. There's still other. There's phones that have been coming out. There's the Oppo Find X10 Pro Max. Becca just did a video on that. There's the Surface Laptop Ultra, and also the Pro Arc laptop.

Oh, my God. All the RTX Spark stuff. There's a new Pro Arc laptop? Yeah, all the RTX Spark one. And then you have that alongside Mac Mini and Mac Studio, so all the unified memory ecosystem stuff. I'm glad we don't have any big personal things around the studio we have to do anytime soon. That will take up weeks.

Yeah. Yeah, we'll get to that. Are you going to have Christmas, Marques? You know what? I'm hoping by December, when things are a little bit more settled down. I don't know, my guy. Tomorrow is November. Yeah, at this point, December doesn't have to settle down.

You were just listing videos that are coming out in December. I just listed a whole bunch of things. If they came out today, they'd be right on time. So, yeah. In November, December. Well, Tech-vember, I guess, will be a... No, I don't like that one. That's where we stop. You hate it when I say the name, but it's still going to happen.

The feeling will still be real. This is the biggest Tech-tober since maybe 2018, so it's insane. It's more like Apple-tober, I guess. Apple-turn-tober. Adam, come home, please. He's right there. How dare you? Where'd Andrew go? I mean, you're doing great, sweetie.

Must be spending time with his kids. Well, stay tuned for all the reviews, of course. Get subscribed if you haven't already to see this stuff when it comes out. And I think it's time for one more batch of trivia. I wasn't sure if you were doing the full outro or not there . No. Just wondering if we made it that far. Just one more little batch.

I like the crows. I do really like the crow. Thank you. The bell tolls as well. Thank you. Has the bell tolls. All right. I want to try a new format because unlike Apple, we actually will be experimenting, trying to make things better.

So, I don't know if you guys follow VC Silicon Valley. Twitter. Nightmare. Try not to. Nightmare News. A big company just came out of stealth, announced themselves with $200 million valuation from their first round. The company is called Warhound.

Oh, my God. Hmm. That sounds like a mobile game. It does sound like a mobile game. It really does. War Thunder. Warhound makes dogs. Wait. This better not be a Boston Dynamics type.

No, these are living dogs. These are actual. That's what I was actually worried about. They make them. They're making dogs. Oh, that's worse. You mean they. Yeah. That was like. But these are not normal dogs. And so, when we answer this question at the end of the episode, I want to go around the room round robin style.

And I want you to, you're going to guess until all three of the things that make these dogs special are out in the open. Wow. Instead of having you guys each write three answers. Okay. I think it'll be more fun. We'll do a little round robin. We'll do a little game. Wow. Don't Google it.

I think we know that at this part. It's very confusing to talk about because when the company got announced, they sent out a press release that Palmer Luckey and another guy founded this company. And then a bunch of articles got written that said Palmer Luckey and this other guy founded this company.

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This last piece of show is not news, but it's something we 've been thinking about talking about for a couple weeks now . Ellis has gotten kind of deep into it. I have. You want to hear it from Ellis. Let's just get into it, guys. As you know, I hate my LG TV so much. When I got it, I loved it.

And I've just learned new and more reasons to hate it over the course of owning it. And all of those reasons have nothing to do with the quality of the panel, which is fantastic. Anyone who owns a smart TV knows that these things are just slow.

Like, they're the slowest and laggiest and most sluggish pieces of modern technology in our lives. What could possibly be slower? Android Auto. There's no way. When I hit the settings button on my LG TV, it takes over seven seconds for the settings menu to come up.

Smart toaster. My Nest Hub is pretty close. Really? It's really bad. But that's because Google probably killed it. And I still just don't. But yes, we agree. 60 hertz. 60 hertz. These are really annoying. Anyway. Yeah. The other thing is that they're not particularly customized .

There's just a bunch that's lame. There's ads. And so starting about a week ago, some really, actually a few weeks ago at this point, some really smart person that a lot of Android TVs, not all Android TVs, but a lot of Android TVs, you can get root access using this thing called ADB, the Android debug bridge, which is this really clever thing.

Someone in the Android project. I don't know if it predates Google or not, but they built into this whole Android ecosystem where you can get root access to a device with nothing but another device that's on the same network. So if you want to like monkey around in your Android phone or Android devices, root source code, whatever, in the firmware, you can do it from a laptop sitting on a couch.

You don't need to like get up. So this means for the first time you could actually root your TV and use something like Claude Code or your own brain, if you got one of those, but I do not, to start cleaning up your TV and making it run faster.

Most, there aren't a lot of like Android native TVs. I can't remember if Roku is based on Android. I don't think it is. So very quickly, Samsung was the first to fall because people realized that Samsung has their own debug bridge called SDB that works on Tizen TV.

So people immediately got into Tizen TVs. Yeah, you remember that? Tizen. Are they not Tizen anymore? Do they? No, I remember they switched to Tizen. And not only were people making lots of cool interfaces for their TVs and like, the first thing people were doing was making a fun Apple TV style interface or whatever style interface they wanted.

And then going through the root directory and just deleting all the programs that they knew they were never going to use. And I'm not talking about apps. I'm talking about the background processes and data track ers and stuff like that that are significantly slowing down the TV. And the things people have found inside these TVs are so shocking.

Like, like, I know we always joke about like your TV is sp ying on you and stuff. But the degree to which your TV is spying on you is so insane to the point where it's now pretty believable to me, at least, that even if Instagram, you know, they're always saying like, we're not your phone's not listening to you.

Like, we don't do that. Your TV is like 100 percent. There is there is one program someone found where if you disable or physically remove all of the microphones on your Samsung TV, of which there are many, some of, you know, you it will go on the network.

Find an unencrypted device with a microphone on your network and start listening from there and pulling that data in an unencrypted. So if you have a soundbar that has a microphone built in for Alexa, that's not protected, like your phone's microphone has a layer, a bunch of layers of security.

So you can't just tap into that. Yeah. If you have a soundbar with an Alexa Echo Dot or something like that with a microphone that's not protected in any meaningful way, your TV will just be like, I'm listening from there now. Whoa. That's on top of the twice a second screenshots that your TV is taking.

There's I'm not going to get into it, especially because a lot of this stuff is still. Only slightly confirmed. And a lot of the stuff is also there's like some plausible reason. There's always some one. Like, for example, on a lot of these ties in TVs, there's remote access software built in.

Maybe it's so that if your TV is broken, tech support can take control of your TV and see your screen and do. Why is there remote anyway? It's been very fun to see. Soon after, WebOS, which is LG's Linux-based TV operating system, also got cracked.

People are making lots of fun Xbox-style, PlayStation-style interfaces for that. They're also finding a horrifying amount of spyware on it. Now, this whole world of people on Twitter have gotten so deep into it that you barely need to root your TV anymore to actually get in there and, like, uninstall this stuff.

If you're thinking about doing this, I would still say think twice about it. Like, the best thing you could do is probably air gap your TV because as soon as you're rooting around in your TV, there's nothing stopping you from accidentally deleting something that your TV needs to function.

System 32. Yeah. TV 32. It's huge. I don't know how to flash a TV with the most up-to-date, you know what I mean? Have Claude do it. The TV drive. That's how most people are doing it. And Claude has gotten so good at reasoning not to glaze them or whatever that you can kind of just be like, Claude, do this, and it'll install ADB, get into your TV.

Like, you don't even really have to do another step. And then brick it and be like, you're totally right. I shouldn't have deleted it. You're absolutely right. You have every right to be angry. I did mess that up. And it's been a really interesting sort of thing for me to witness because about a month ago, I decided I was so fed up with my LG TV and how much it was spying on me and how much it was – oh, yeah.

Like, the LG TVs do this insane thing where they keep – as part of your customer data that they sell, they keep track of every device that you own by constantly sweeping your network for new Mac addresses. And then it's a whole thing anyway.

It must be so confused in your apartment. I was just so annoyed of, like, doing these network sweeps and seeing devices on my network do weird things and seeing my internet speed slow down all the time and then eventually just realizing it was my TV making my entire apartment worse. So my solution was to air gap my TV, pull an old Windows computer out of the – under my bed and build my own browser-based streaming box, which I put so many hours into

, like, an embarrassing amount of time. I even built my own persistent 3D environment that acts as the menu screen in Blender. And then I'm rendering the whole thing in 3.js in, like, a Brave kiosk instance.

So it's, like, this beautiful windowed – windowless thing . And when you go around the menu, the camera in, like, real time adjusts and flies to the next menu. It's beautiful. He showed us a little demo of this. And I want to say in the best way possible, it reminds me of, like, the DVD bonus features screen where you're, like, going through the menu.

Yeah. It's, like, a very, like, retro design. It's very, very fun. And the other thing that I did that I'm really, really proud of is I got a Wi-Fi-enabled IR blaster. That can control my stereo and my CD player. And I can do that for my TV now.

I'm going to, like, share all of this work when it's, like, fully done and ready to be shared with people. Anyway, so just imagine how annoying it was for me building this entire thing on Windows, putting all this effort into it. And then one day people being, like, oh, you can just wipe it off your TV, whatever.

I still don't think I'm going to do it just because my TV isn't connected to the Internet right now. So it's everything has gotten better. And I just don't trust myself not to completely destroy my TV. But, yeah, if you do have a smart TV, just know unimagin able surveillance is being done on you in ways that shock even me, even the most pessimistic person ever.

Yeah. Yeah. I saw a lot of people. There was one person that made their TV OS look like the Wii menu system. And they made it so they could control it with their Wii controller as well. Yes. Yeah. Also, um.

I love how easy it is to hack hardware now. It's amazing. It's, it's, I know, it's gotten so easy. One of the most fun things about Vive coding is that you can just hack hardware. Like, someone put CarPlay on the back of the Hasselblad X2D Mark II. Really? No. There is, there is something that, like, we're very quickly approaching the point where you don't need to use anyone's included apps.

Which is so interesting. It's amazing. I'm like, something I've been thinking about a lot is, like , um, yesterday I have a group chat of, uh, photographer people. And someone, like, we've been asking Fujifilm to add support for 65 by 24 aspect ratio on their cameras for a long time.

It's the X-Pan TX1 aspect ratio. Anyway, uh, and yesterday someone released, like, custom firmware for the Fujifilm X70 that just adds that and also adds, like, better autofocus and a bunch of random stuff. And what do companies, like, companies releasing firmware updates now, it's kind of moot because the community updates are going to be way better than whatever the company spends, like, a year building.

I saw a bunch of people with this TV thing ditching, um, Google Home because so many of these, uh, smart home, like, IoT devices have, like, data, uh, data sheets and stuff online. And, uh, and open protocols or someone cracked them at some point and put the repo on GitHub.

And so people have just put their entire lights, AC, everything on their TV. Hmm. Um, and they can just bypass the entire Google Home. Like, you don't need any of these built-in apps anymore. Wow. Um, I'm sure that's not secure at all either.

It's more of the TV would need to be on, correct? Where, like... TV is on. It never... Smart TVs never turn off. So it can do... It can turn my lights off when it's off? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. TV too high. That is the... These TVs, like, it does make sense.

I think I was reading that, like, Vizio loses about $6 million a year selling TVs, but they make about $100 million a year, something like that, operating TVs. Yeah, that sounds right. Because they're able to sell so much of this data at such a high price.

Um, I'm sorry. I'm just gonna go off the... It's so messed up. It's, like, so unbelievable. And it's, like, it's illegal everywhere else. Yeah. Like, we're the only country where they can just do this to you.

Yeah. There's a really good, uh, article on Tech Dirt from Mike Masnick, uh, about how even though vibe coding is, like, very controversial, obviously, because literally everything that makes LLMs is completely stolen and whatever. Yeah. It also enables kind of, like, a revolution against these giant companies because we can just strip out all of the s*** that they, you know, sell us and make us use without asking and all stuff like that.

Very interesting point. Yeah. So, I don't know. It's gonna be really interesting to see how firmware moves in the future. I think the bigger thing is now that Claude is really, really good at decompiling, um, there's, like, this brick wall that has been torn down.

Yeah. You know, it used to be if you developed, like, a kick-ass algorithm for something, um, you could bury it in source code and you could sell an app and no one would be able to actually get the algorithm without doing a full reverse engineer. Whereas now, I've been seeing a lot of plug-in manufacturers be, like, the algorithm that gives our audio plug-in a specific sound, Claude can just rip out of the- It's insane.

Yeah, it's insane because, like, reverse engineering was one of the hardest things and most time-consuming things you could possibly do. And that was sort of the moat that stopped people from even doing it because it took so many resources and so much time. And now these agents will just run endlessly until they completely decompile on everything.

People are decompiling every video game ever made and just making them free. Yeah. They're just- Because it's- It's- Well, it's legal to reverse engineer things. But it's not clear if it's- Yeah. Like, like- To distribute- To be cussed and sort of assumed that it would take so many hours.

Something- I mean, I- One thing I did really like, I saw, um, someone, uh, reverse engineered Super Smash Bros Melee and decompiled it. And so now they're just making, like, crazy Melee stuff where, like, in Vision Pro you can play Melee. There was one where you can play Melee, but the, um, the platform that you fight on is your Mac OS dock and you just play it on Mac OS.

And so you play Melee on your wallpaper and it's just so sad. Someone, uh, decompiled and re-architected and put up SimG olf in a web browser. No way. In the browser. Yeah. Marquez, have you seen all the crazy video game mashups people have been making? Oh no.

Yeah. Like, they'll decompile, like, Skate 3, Call of Duty, and Minecraft and have them all run in the same environment. Yeah. So you can, like, drive a little tiny Mario Kart around the feet of all the zombies while your friend does a sick kickflip above you. And it's all the actual physics and stuff of those games.

This just feels like Gary's Mod. Feels like Gary's Mod 2. Wow. Yes. Yeah. So. That's enough. All right. Let's do it. Crazy future. Okay. Thanks for entertaining my weird TV thing, everybody. TV too high. TV, TV too listen to you all the time, man.

TV. It's not cool. Yeah. I don't appreciate you. Life's good? No. Life's bad. Unless you turn it into the Wii shop. And then life's good again. Yeah. Life's good. Yeah. All right.

Read us those questions, my friends. Lord. My lord. My lord. Pick me, my lord. Pick me. The Muffin Man. The Muffin Man. The Muffin Man. The Muffin Man. Yes, I know the Muffin Man. Who lives on Drulie Lane. She's married to the Muffin Man.

The Muffin Man. The Muffin Man. You can't tell probably from the camera angle. I made this myself. It's really, it is really good. I sat there, I cut out these buttons, I sewed them. These are not fabric glues. Wait, did you stand up? Because you have like, it's not just the buttons. It's the like, the frosting too. Yeah.

Pretty good. Gingy, as they call him. That's good stuff. Be good. I also made this myself. Yeah. All right. Read us those questions, my friends. All right. Here we go.

My lord. All right, lords and ladies. So Google is the grim reaper of technology and they officially announced Chrome OS's demise. So with the closest without going over, what year will Chrome OS be killed?

This is hard. I feel like the safe bet is just to say this year. To not go over because like, it could be gone by December. Are we guessing a month? They could also say something and then.

I feel like I want to give them a bonus point if they get the right month. Just for fun. How do you feel? How do you feel? To you. Google doesn't really commit to things usually for that long.

So. Well, are you saying that as they don't commit to things for that long or do they even commit to committing to? Well, sometimes they'll be like, they'll be like, pixel will get seven years of OS updates and you're like, wow. So pixel is still going to exist in seven years? And you're like, I guess so. Well, that was, what was the Google one that was like, if you get this, you get a free upgrade for your phone.

And then the next year didn't exist. Google one still exists. It's the pixel upgrade plan that they cut after a year. All right. What do we got? David, what'd you say? 2029. What'd you say? I said 2028. December. And I said 2029 December.

Okay. Okay. I think we need. You said month if you feel like it. Yeah, should we do? Oh, yeah. You just said if you feel like it. So should we give them a tie or should we make David pick a month to decide the winner? I think they should pick a month. All right, David, you have to pick a month. Well, he's not going to say December.

March. I left the fader down. I saw the red, though. Does that mean it was January, which means they both went over, which means I won? No, unfortunately, none of you went over. The correct answer was June of 2034. Oh. Meaning Marquez's David.

Why would they even say that out loud? Meaning Marquez's December of 2029 is the closest answer giving him. 2034 is so far away that Google might not even exist by then. There's no point in saying that. Yeah.

Why would they say we're getting rid of it in? Eight years from now. Yeah. It is a pretty crazy heads up. It's pretty early. That is remarkably nice of them. They're definitely going to get rid of it before then. I would bet. And I want you to go back to the points. And I want to know.

That's a good bet. So you should make that bet and then just like set a timer or whatever for like December 2034 or whatever it is. Yeah. Because I have a timer set for January 1st, 2027. And it says Cyber Cab. Oh.

Okay. So. You can figure out the rest of that. All the AI people think we're going to be dead before 2034. So. Yeah. Which dies first? Chrome OS or humanity? Yeah. That's the bet I'm taking. Oh, now this is a verbal? This is the verbal. This is a verbal one. Yeah.

This is not a whiteboard one. So here's what we're going to do. I'm going to ask the question one more time and then we're going to go around the room. There are three things that make these dogs. Oh, God. Interesting. And we're just going to keep going until you get it. Or not. Maybe none of you will get it and you'll get stumped and this will become not fun.

But I think it will be fun. So guys. I can't believe they're doing this. A startup. A startup. A startup. A startup. Warhound has come out of stealth mode last week. They're valued at $200 million. And they make dogs. Warhound. But not normal dogs. What makes these dogs not normal?

And just you confirm they're not robots, right? They're not robots. They're not robots. And when you say makes the dogs, you mean breeds the dogs. I didn't use that word. But maybe that is a way you could think about it.

Marquez. What? I'm going to let you make the first guess and then we'll go Marquez, Andrew David, Marquez, Andrew David. Warhounds as in W-A-R. Warhounds. What three things make these dogs not like other dogs? They have an incredible magnified sense of smell.

Something I thought. I'm looking for more broad, broad strokes. Andrew, you want to give me more? Broader? Broader. I don't know if you'll answer this question, but are these enhanced dog traits or do they have third party accessories? Guns is what I'm trying to say.

What do you mean by third party accessories? Guns. Could a normal dog grow this outside of being a version of it? A normal dog. I'm still going to say guns and just pass my turn. They haven't said guns specifically, but you're barking up the right tree.

Okay. And David, do you want to take a guess? Weapons? Wait, wait. Barking up the right tree. Is that a hint? Just or is it a point? Andrew, I think I'll give you the point. One of the things that make these dogs unique is they will have, and this is an exact quote, cybernetic augments.

What the? What does that mean? What does that mean? Andrew is going to be making smart dog helmets and gear that plug directly into the dog's brain somehow. Sort of like Neuralink Terminator dogs. What?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. There's two more things that make these dogs not like other dogs. Do they have, um, like metal bones or something? Oh. I think that's part of the cybernetic augments, but I'm not sure. Oh. Okay. Are they more aggressive? Let's do this one. The dogs will not be made in a factory, right?

They'll be test tube. They won't be bred in a traditional sense either, though. Will they be butter? They will be... Cloned. They will be cloned, Marquez. That's very good. They're first going to breed the perfect dog and then clone that dog. Are you f***ing kidding me?

I told you this was a spooky question. Westminster dog shows are going to get a lot more dark when they start buying the winners off of that. And, you know, honestly, the third one we kind of got, they will be genetically modified. Before they are cloned. We need, like, an international body that says this s*** is not okay. PETA is f***ing...

We made space law that says you can't launch a nuke off of an orbital body. Can we please say that you can't launch a vicious cybern etic attack dog out of a test tube? Why does it have to be a real dog? Why can't it be a robot dog? Yeah, why isn't it a robot dog? It feels like it is a robot dog. Why would they use real dogs for this?

I do... Spot. I hope this question wasn't too scary for our... It's messed up. He was at home. Maybe I took a Halloween too literally. Didn't you find an article that, like, the Humane Society was against this? Are we allowed to look it up now, right? So, okay, look at the website.

This s*** is crazy. It has AI slop of the dogs wearing helmets and, like, weird , probably guns. Proud to serve built for victory? Certified by the American Humane Society. Sorry. What the f*** does that mean? It makes them look all cute. This is the grown-up Paw Patrol.

Yeah. Oh, it also has, like, three sentences. What was the third thing? It was... Cybernetic augments, genetic modification, and they are clones of one another. Genetic modification. Sorry. GMO dogs. Mariah, I cut you off by the certified by the American Hum ane Society is...

What? That is definitely... I don't say that. That's not true. That cannot be true. There's, like, literally no way that's true. Also, what the f*** does that mean? That doesn't mean anything. There's nothing on this website at all. Except for just... There's more questions than answers here. How are they clones if they're different colors? There's a Wired article asking one of the co-creators, Lamb , so no dogs with lasers?

And he says, quote, I can't comment on what Andro plans. Okay. Just want dogs with freaking laser beams on their heads. Mm-hmm. All right. Well... Okay. Cool. Hopefully this never happens. I got a point, though.

You got two points. I got two points. That's a really big thing. How do you feel about that point? Do you have to... I'll take the points I can get, man. I'll take the points I can get. Wow. Well, by the time you listen to this, it will be still Tech tober. But next month will be...

I'm just going to keep trying it. Techvember. And it's going to be a very busy one, and it's going to be very exciting. So make sure you get subscribed if you haven't already, because all those videos and all those thoughts and all those tech things that I talked about, they would all be right on time if they came out tomorrow. So they might as well be right on the way. So see you there.

Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Later. Boo. What's the thing? Make smart choices. Goodbye. Don't let your pixels die, my friends. Waveform is produced by Mariah Zink, Ellis Rovin, Adam Mol ina.

No. Waveform is produced by Lord Farquaad, the gingerbread man, and Adam Molina. We were a partner with Vox Media Podcast Network, and our character music was created by Vane Still. Ooh. Support for this show comes from Anthropic, the team behind Claude.

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